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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBill T. Date: Aug 24, 2004 4:39pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: More Treasures from American Film Archives DVD

From the AMIA listserv... If you've havent seen the first one, it's a DAMN fine treat, Yay! A second one is out!!!

The National Film Preservation Foundation is thrilled to announce the
release of our new three-DVD box set, More Treasures from American Film
Archives: 1894-1931 on September 7. Drawn from the preservation work
of the
Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, George Eastman House, the
Library of Congress, the Museum of Modern Art, and the UCLA Film and
Television Archive, More Treasures presents 50 rare films and 6
previews
never previously available in good-quality video and features
interactive
screens, newly recorded music and commentary, and a 200-page
illustrated
catalog.

The new set will retail for $79.95 but can be preordered online at a
discount. More information is available on the NFPF Web site,
www.filmpreservation.org, under DVD Collections.


Jeff Lambert
Assistant Director
National Film Preservation Foundation

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 27, 2004 3:36am
Forum: prelinger Subject: Too expensive for foreigners

The simple fact is that,for many people living outside USA, the dvd,s plus book and extras are too expensive They will never see these heritage movies. revision " heading"

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Poster: Spuzz Date: Aug 27, 2004 9:21am
Forum: prelinger Subject: To Cashel..

You MADE YOUR POINT 3 POSTINGS AGO.

NOW WOULD YOU PLEASE SHUT THE HECK UP?


Sorry, people, I just can't take this guy's postings anymore..

Bill

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 27, 2004 10:11am
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: to Spuzz ... please

Spuzz . I am tired of your ill-mannered behaviour. My reason for revising my headings is that you have diluted my original short and simple post by misleading and unelated posts. It is an old and silly trick to introduce unrelated information and divert attention .

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Poster: Spuzz Date: Aug 28, 2004 5:15am
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: to Spuzz ... please

Give me a break. Show me examples please.

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Poster: Toomy Date: Aug 25, 2004 12:27am
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: More Treasures from American Film Archives DVD

What is the copyright status of the films contained in this DVD set, and the previous DVD set? I would imagine the films themselves have long been out of copyright, but since the preserved versions on these DVDs were funded with public money, wouldn't these versions also be in the public domain?

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Poster: Spuzz Date: Aug 25, 2004 5:17am
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: More Treasures from American Film Archives DVD

To answer YOUR question Tommy..(which is a good one) I think Rick might shed some light on this too, maybe Skip, but I imagine maybe 3/4 of these films are copyright free, with the later ones are not. Keep in mind though, that all of the silent ones have new soundtracks, which of course is a whole new ballgame.

And to Cashel, to each it's own. I saw the first set, and it's ASTONISHING. WELL worth the price. I had seen very little of what was in it, and my god, William S. Hart Westerns? Rose Hobart?? THE TOLL OF THE SEA?? All of these are amazing. And you saying 'About a third of it is devoted to films of poor cinematic quality' is just hogwash when you havent seen the films in the first place.



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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 25, 2004 10:23am
Forum: prelinger Subject: for the eyes of the prosperous Elite only

I have seen many of the films. They had not been cleaned up to appeal to the fastidious few but that has never been necessary to evaluate a film.. I saw "rin tin tin" films on 8mm film when I was a child and I did not think they were very good. ...2.As to your statement that it is "astonishingly well worth the price" I can only think that you must despise people who can,t spend $80 for 3 dvds . (I get books from my library).......revision heading

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Poster: Spuzz Date: Aug 25, 2004 4:04pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: the prosperous Elite responds

Interesting post.. to be brief..

... All of these films have been preserved.

... If it's good, and if it's rare, and if I want it, I'll buy it. It's also going to a good cause, Net proceeds from the set support further film preservation. Which means a lot to me actually. I have SEEN in action the work the George Eastman house does, as I was lucky enough to have a private tour there last year. I got to go into the archival vault itself. It was amazing, and probably one of the most fulfilling moments of my life.

Let be also known that I'm not a rich man, It is expensive, but it's worth saving up for.

And I get books from my library too. :)

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 25, 2004 5:01pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: the prosperous Elite responds

Spuzz OK . This started because I merely said the the dvd,s are expensive , they are. Reading your last post, I appreciate your position and I wish that you had said so at the start. This does not alter the validity of my previous remarks or validaate the arrogance or pomposity of the people marketing the dvd,s. They have taken property that belongs to everyone and put it into a new package which due to copyright is forbidden to poor peoplefor the next 70 or more years. Disgusting.

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Poster: ridetheory Date: Aug 26, 2004 4:50am
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: for the eyes of the prosperous Elite only

I get all my DVDs from the library. I just don't think an argument about elitism holds up well.

This post was modified by ridetheory on 2004-08-26 11:50:16

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 27, 2004 8:39am
Forum: prelinger Subject: a "coffee table" collection

The collection was made for the "we got money , now lets show our kulture" people. In olden days, they were the people who bought books "by the yard with expensive bindings. The selection is weird. About a third of it is devoted to films of poor cinematic quality (why include the B-class rin tin feature or he poor adaption of wizard of oz.etc?).....revision heading

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffakb Date: Aug 29, 2004 7:38am
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: a 'coffee table' collection

I don't like the pricing either but I bet its not unreasonable given the costs of putting a good collection together and the very limited demand. Specialty items of high quality are always expensive, its unlikely that an unreasonable amount of profit is being made.

I think the real problem is that capitalist models are not sufficient to make this kind of material widely available. The state of affairs in the US is so bad that the Library of Congress has to beg for very small amounts of money from corporate foundations to prevent early sound recordings from being lost. The LOC doesn't even have digital records of its catalog before 1976. That is a very, very long way from Brewster's vision of every book in the LOC sitting in a storage array the size of a file cabinet.

It will take public funding to ensure our cultural heritage is preserved and made available to everyone. The only serious proposal in the US I have heard of is the Digital Promise initiative, which would set aside $ billions from spectrum auctions for digitization efforts and other publicly beneficial education and cultural purposes. It was introduced in the US Congress (see the website for more details), ask your reps to support it.

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 29, 2004 7:48am
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: a 'coffee table' collection MY THANKS TO AKB

You have given an excellent post. I can see the reason for the pricing. Perhaps if the makers of the dvd,s acknowledged the high prices and gave some reasons there would be no complaints from me and others.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBill T. Date: Aug 24, 2004 4:51pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: More Treasures from American Film Archives DVD

Oh, and the video previews they've got on line are really worth a look...

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 25, 2004 8:56am
Forum: prelinger Subject: Crumbs for the poor: who cannot pay for theDVD.s

These few minutes of scraps of the ancient films are graciously given to the poor who will never see the heritage items. The prigs only cater to their own class,. The idea of making the old films available on lower quality downloadable QT films would be repugnant to them.